Family History, Arnold Bellamy Chart 0400 Samuel George Arnold, Florence Dackombe, Nellie Louise Forrester and James Robey Bellamy

5
Florence Minnie
ARNOLD
born
December quarter
1886
Walworth, Surrey
baptised
10th October 1886
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey

married
8th
June
1906
St Stephen
Walworth
Common
Southwark
London
witnesses
Edward
RUMBLE
Frances
BOURNE
John
Henry
RUMBLE

6
John
William
ARNOLD
born
7th October 1888
20 Nursery Row
Walworth, Surrey
baptised
14th October 1888
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
20th April 1961
buried
27th April 1961
Camberwell New Cemetery
Camberwell, London

married
13th June
1910
St Paul
Lorrimore Square
Southwark
London
witnesses
David
KELLY
Emily
KELLY
Margaret
Thomasine
(Queenie)
(KELLY)
PERRIN

7
Ann(ie)
ARNOLD
born
15th January 1890
registered
March quarter
1890
Walworth
London
baptised
31st January
1890?
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey

married
9th April
1911
St Peter
Walworth
Southwark
London
witnesses
John
Henry
RUMBLE
Alice
FULLILOVE
Frederick
(George)
William
BROOK(S)

married(2)
20th December 1936
St Peter
Walworth
Southwark
London
witnesses
Frederick William BROOK
Alfred John MATTHEWS
Alfred
John
MATTHEWS

8
Fanny
ARNOLD
born about
1892
baptised
31st January
1893
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
June quarter
1893
St Saviour
district
Southwark
London
Age 0

9
Louisa
ARNOLD
born
4th June
1893
baptised
23rd
June
1893
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
December
quarter
1893
St
Saviour
district
Southwark
London
Age 0

10
Lilian
ARNOLD
born
4th June
1893
baptised
23rd
June
1893
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
September
quarter
1893
St
Saviour
district
Southwark
London
Age 0

11
Eleanor
Julia
ARNOLD
born
1894
baptised
14th
November
1894
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
March
quarter
1895
St
Saviour
district
Southwark
London
Age 0

12
Samuel
George
(ARNOLD)
FORRESTER
born
8th December 1900
(4 months
on 1901 census)
Walworth
London
registered
March quarter
1901
St Saviour district
Southwark
London
as
Samuel George
FORRESTER
died
March quarter
1971
Dudley district
Staffordshire
Aged 70

married
16th May 1920
All Saints
Walworth
Southwark
London
witnesses
Charles SMITH
Beatrice BIGGS
Bertha
Nellie
SMITH

13
Sarah
ARNOLD
born
29th December
1904
baptised
18th January
1905
St John the Evangelist
Walworth, Southwark
Surrey
died
December quarter
1974
Lewisham district
Greater London
Aged 69

married
26th April 1925
St Mary
Lambeth
London
witnesses
S G ARNOD
A F ALLEN
registered
June quarter
1925
Lambeth district
London
Joseph
Richard
WIGGINS

14
Lilian
May
ARNOLD
born
6th December 1907
Camberwell
London
registered
March quarter
1908
Camberwell district
London
died
March 1991
Camberwell district
Greater London
aged 83

married
December quarter
1927
Southwark district
London
Samuel
James
MYERS

15
Louise
(Louisa)
Elsie
BELLAMY
born
29th August 1911
registered
December quarter
1911
Southwark
district
London

married
25th December 1935
St Mark
Walworth
Southwark
London
witnesses
Lewis G T FRANCIXS
Florence E LUCAS
Arthur
Frederick
KNAPP

16
Nellie
V
BELLAMY
born about
December quarter
1913
Bermondsey
district
London
died
December quarter
1914
Southwark district
London
Aged 1

17
Ruby
D
BELLAMY
born about
December quarter
1913
Bermondsey
district
London
died
December quarter
1914
Bermondsey district
London
Aged 1

18
Florence
Emily
BELLAMY
born
29th September
1915
registered
December quarter
1915
Southwark
district
London
died
April 1985
Bromley district
Greater London
Aged 69

married
September quarter
1935
Southwark district
London
James
Alfred
LUCAS

RUMBLE
Chart 0300

ARNOLD
Chart
0302

BROOK(S)/
MATTHEWS
Chart 0307

1871 Census - 11 Hard Street, Newington, Walworth, London 1881 Census - 32 Orb Street, Newington, London 1885 - 38 Eltham Street, Walworth, Surrey (address at marriage) 1886 - 19 King and Queen Street, Walworth, Surrey (address at baptism of Florence) 1888 - 20 Nursery Row, Newington, Surrey (at birth of John William) 1888 - 20 Nursery Row, Newington, Surrey (at baptism of John William) 1890 - 21 Eltham Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Annie) 1891 - 100 Brandon Street, Walworth 1892 - 10 Brandon Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Fanny) 1893 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Louisa and Lilian) 1894 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Eleanor Julia) 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1904 - 14 Sutherland Place, Walworth, Newington, London (at marriage of Samuel to Nellie) Samuel's father William down as a Fish curer 1905 - 14 Sutherland Place, Walworth, Newington, London (at baptism of Sarah) I found th is family on the 1901 Census and found to my surprise that Samuel had married again to a Nellie who was only 21 years ago, so assume that Florence died between 1891 and 1901. As Samuel is shown as only four months on the Census I have put him as the son of Samuel and Nellie. This could be wrong. The Census actually says second wife which is most unusual. They were living at 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London Father – William ARNOLD – General Dealer 1871 Townley Street, St Peter's, Newington, Surrey (RG10/620 Folio 130 Page 33) 1881 14 Nursery Row, Newington, Surrey. John's mother Mary Ann DACKOMBE was with the family. 1885 8 Nursery Row, Newington, Surrey 1886 - 19 King and Queen Street, Walworth, Surrey (address at baptism of Florence) 1888 - 20 Nursery Row (at baptism of John William) 1890 - 21 Eltham Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Annie) 1891 - 100 Brandon Street, Walworth 1892 - 10 Brandon Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Fanny) 1893 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Louisa and Lilian) 1894 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Eleanor Julia) Birth certificate held 1881 Census - 38 Faraday Street, Walworth, Surrey. 1891 Census - 8 Angle Road, Streatham, Surrey 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1904 - 14 Sutherland Place, Walworth, Newington, London (at marriage of Samuel to Nellie) Nellie's father Arthur down as a Commercial Traveller 1905 - 14 Sutherland Place, Walworth, Newington, London (at baptism of Sarah) I found this family on the 1901 Census and found to my surprise that Samuel had married again to a Nellie who was only 21 years ago, so assume that Florence died between 1891 and 1901. As Samuel is shown as only four months on the Census I have put him as the son of Samuel and Nellie. This could be wrong. The Census actually says second wife which is most unusual. They were living at 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London 1911 - 5 Anne's Row, Walworth London (address at marriage) 1911 Census - 21 Toulon St Camberwell S E. James BELLAMY aged 38 Compositor (Letterpress Printers) birh place not know, Nelly BELLAMY aged 32 married under one year and having had no children born Southwark, London, Samuel ARNOLD aged 10 stepson, School born Southwark, London, Lilian ARNOLD stepdaughter aged 3 born Camberwell, London 1939 2 Warren Buildings, Southwark, London, Nellie BELLAMY a widow, born 30th December 1879 House Cleaner In May 2021 I found coming down a line from a CHILTON family that I came to ] Nellie Louise FORRESTER, this was coming down a line which connects to my family through my mothers maiden name POWELL, but this chart also connects my wifes family through the Dackombe name on this chart her Great Grandmother being a Caroline DACKOMBE, both connections on this chart are quite remote to our families but it is the first time that there has been charts that connect from both sides, This has thrown the numbering of my charts as there are generations differences between the two families. 1911 - 3 Anne's Row, Walworth London (address at marriage) Father - James Robey BELLAMY - Waterside Labourer 1911 Census - 21 Toulon St Camberwell S E. James BELLAMY aged 38 Compositor (Letterpress Printers) birh place not know, Nelly BELLAMY aged 32 married under one year and having had no children born Southwark, London, Samuel ARNOLD aged 10 stepson, School born Southwark, London, Lilian ARNOLD stepdaughter aged 3 born Camberwell, London 1886 - 19 King and Queen Street, Walworth, Surrey (address at baptism of Florence) 1891 - 13 Guildford Road, Camberwell, Surrey. A Florence ARNOLD appears on the 1891 Census living or staying with John and Fanny DACKOMBE, aged 4, Granddaughter, living at 13 Guildford Road, Camberwell, Surrey 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1906 130 Westmoreland Road, Walworth, Southwark, London (address at marriage) Father Samuel George ARNOLD - General Dealer 1907 8 Sutherland Street, Walworth Common, Walworth, Southark, London (baptism of daughter Florence Emily) 1909 78 Branden Street, Walworth, Southwark, London (baptism of duaghter Hilda (Agnes) Louisa) 1911 5 Anns Row, Walworth SE John Henry RUMBLE aged 28 Private Royal Marines LI born Walworth, London, Florence Minnie RUMBLE aged 25 down as having been married 5 years and having had three children all of whom survive at the date of this Census. She was born in Walworth, London, Florence RUMBLE aged 4 born Walworth, London, Agnes RUMBLE aged 2 born Walworth, London, John Arthur RUMBLE aged 3 months born Walworth, London, George BROOKS Friend aged 23 Soldier (ex) now Gas Fitter born Walworth, London, Annie ARNOLD Sister in Law aged 21 Waitress born Walworth, London. 1914 13 Emporer Street, Southwark, London (baptism of daughter Annie and son Arthur) 1916 13 Emporer Street, Southwark, London (baptism of son James Leonard) 1888 - 20 Nursery Row (at baptism of John William) 1891 - 100 Brandon Street, Walworth 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1910 - 107 Hillingdon Street. (address at marriage) his new wife was at the same address and her father is down as Thomas PERRIN (deceased) a Gardener We believe that John and Margaret had 13 children, I only have the actual birth dates of two, one born in 1909 and one in 1920 at this time. We had this marriage down as John William ARNOLD to Margaret Queenie KELLY, I have found the marriage as shown above which is indeed of a John William ARNOLD, with a father Samuel George ARNOLD (deceased) correctly but it is to a Margaret Thomasine PERRIN, she is down as being 19 years old and a spinster, so not married before but the witnesses are a David and Emily KELLY, Somewhere the KELLY must have come in. There are many possibilities, perhaps she was adopted and her original name was KELLY and the witnesses were her siblings, etc etc. I have shown the marriage as I have found it. I cannot find any births between 1911 and 1915 with ARNOLD as the surname and PERRIN as the mothers maiden name but we believe that the surname was actually KELLY and there is a John W G ARNOLD born June quarter 1912 in Camberwell district with KELLY as the mothers maiden name. Then between 1918 and 1929 there are the following all in Camberwell, Kathleen A ARNOLD September quarter 1918, Samuel D ARNOLD September quarter 1920, Edwin J ARNOLD March quarter 1922, Eileen D ARNOLD September quarter 1923, Margaret Q Arnold September quarter 1924, Mary A ARNOLD June quarter 1926, Donald R ARNOLD June quarter 1927 and finally George W Arnold June quarter 1929. These are the names that were given to me for this couple and I hold on my family tree program: Emily ARNOLD born 22nd May 1909, Samuel David ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 died 14th September 1986, Florence ARNOLD, John ARNOLD, Alfred ARNOLD, Kathleen ARNOLD, Edward ARNOLD, Eileen ARNOLD, Margaret ARNOLD, Donald ARNOLD, Mary ARNOLD, Reggie ARNOLD and George ARNOLD. So the problem of marriage name still not solved, it appears that there was a child in 1909 so before the marriage I have found, but still certain it is correct especially as the witnesses had the name KELLY. 1891 - 100 Brandon Street, Walworth An Annie appears on the 1891 Census, the information given to me before was of an Ann, I would think therefore the same child 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1911 5 Anns Row, Walworth SE John Henry RUMBLE aged 28 Private Royal Marines LI born Walworth, London, Florence Minnie RUMBLE aged 25 down as having been married 5 years and having had three children all of whom survive at the date of this Census. She was born in Walworth, London, Florence RUMBLE aged 4 born Walworth, London, Agnes RUMBLE aged 2 born Walworth, London, John Arthur RUMBLE aged 3 months born Walworth, London, George BROOKS Friend aged 23 Soldier (ex) now Gas Fitter born Walworth, London, Annie ARNOLD Sister in Law aged 21 Waitress born Walworth, London. 1911 - 5 Anne's Row, Walworth, London. (address at marriage) Address for husband the same, his father was down as William Walter BROOKES but see following note. 1892 - 10 Brandon Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Fanny) 1893 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Louisa) 1893 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Lilian) 1894 - 78 Henshaw Street, Walworth, Surrey (at baptism of Eleanor Julia) 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1911 Census - 21 Toulon St Camberwell S E. James BELLAMY aged 38 Compositor (Letterpress Printers) birh place not know, Nelly BELLAMY aged 32 married under one year and having had no children born Southwark, London, Samuel ARNOLD aged 10 stepson, School born Southwark, London, Lilian ARNOLD stepdaughter aged 3 born Camberwell, London 1920 4 Cavan Terrace, Surrey Row, Walworth, London (address at marriage) Father down as Samuel George FORRESTER (deceased) General Dealer 1920 20 Pearman Street, Lambeth, London (baptism of son Samuel George Leslie) 1905 - 14 Sutherland Place, Walworth, Newington, London (at baptism of Sarah) 1925 3 Little Pake Place, Lambeth, London (address at marriage) Father Samuel George RNOLD - Fishmonger 1939 21 Spalding House, Brockett, Lewisham, London. Joseph R WIGGINS born 10th May 1900 Resident Estate PORTER LCC Housing Department, A.R.P Warden, Lewisham Borough, Sarah WIGGINS born 29th December 1904 Unpaid House Wife 1911 Census - 21 Toulon St Camberwell S E. James BELLAMY aged 38 Compositor (Letterpress Printers) birh place not know, Nelly BELLAMY aged 32 married under one year and having had no children born Southwark, London, Samuel ARNOLD aged 10 stepson, School born Southwark, London, Lilian ARNOLD stepdaughter aged 3 born Camberwell, London 1939 10 Ellis House, Southwark, London, Lilian M MYERS born 6th December 1907 (married) Unpaid Domestic Duties, Rosina (Rose) CONNELL born 15th February 1910 (married) Office Cleaner 1939 133 Week Street. Maidstone, Kent. Arthur F KNAPP born 15th May 1912 Typewriter Mechanis, Louie E KNAPP born 29th August 1911 Printers Bookbinder BMD birth with BELLAMY as father and FORRESTER as mothers maiden name. BMD birth with BELLAMY as father and FORRESTER as mothers maiden name. 1939 98 Wisden House, Lambeth, London. James A LUCAS born 25th April 1914 Dispatch Manager, Machine Tool Merchants (Heavy Worker), Florecen E LUCAS born 27th September 1915 General Factory worker (Marmite Food Extract Co), Charles H LUCAS born 5th October 1915 Paper Off-Cut Worker (Heavy Worker)

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